Fed Rate Cuts & US Yield Curve Inversion | Wolf Richter | Podcast
Key points covered in this podcast
– Expectations for Fed rate cuts and their impact on asset
prices
– Does the US yield curve inversion really mean imminent recession?
– Asset price bubbles and what they mean for diversification
Wolf Richter is founder and publisher of business and economics site
Wolf Street
, based in San Francisco. In this edition of our podcast Trading Global Markets Decoded, our host Martin Essex talks to Wolf about the US yield curve inversion – it is the harbinger of doom? Fed rate cuts – will they or won’t they, and if they do what impact will they have? And how do you diversify in these tough times?
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First up is the topic of Fed rate cuts expected for later this month. ‘Right now there is zero probability of no Fed rate cuts,’ Wolf says. ‘The probability of at least two rate cuts is very high in terms of market expectation.’
So what should we expect for asset prices? ‘What would definitely happen is that
treasury yields
would jump; they have a history of doing that. On the 10-Year Yield, that would be a significant disruption to mortgage lending and other things that are tracking the 10-Year Yield. Stocks would react in some way, credit markets would react, and that could unwind some stock market gains too.’
What can be learnt from the US Yield Curve inversion?
There has been a modest inversion of the
US yield curve
recently, leading some to speculate about tough times for the economy. Does Wolf see the US yield curve inversion as a reliable sign of recession? ‘I’m leery of the yield curve right now because the bond markets are so manipulated and today’s market isn’t the same as when the yield curve inverted the last few times.
‘ [Today] I doubt that the yield curve really tells us anything, because it’s really an expression of central bank action right now rather than market action.’
What about the European market outlook? ‘There’s a big expectation from [
European Central Bank
President] Mario Draghi that the ECB is going to cut rates and restart
Quantitative Easing
(
QE
), and the markets are responding to it and that will force the ECB to do what Draghi has been promising.’
The negative interest rate environment that the ECB has created is not good for banks, Wolf notes. ‘The only thing it’s good for is for overindebted counties, so the effort from the ECB to make this negative interest environment is not helping the economy, it’s only helping these nations deal with their debts.’
There are concerns about a fall in
EUR
, as well as the efficacy of negative
interest rate
policies. ‘Europe’s life insurance schemes and pension funds are being bankrupted by these negative interest rates,’ Wolf says. ‘They’re already in trouble without them, but with them, there’s no yield, they built their models on having a certain amount of yield, and now they don’t get this yield and have ageing populations to deal with.
‘I doubt the eurozone will go deeper into negative interest rates; it’s too risky and it causes too many problems.’
The value of safe havens
How does he feel about
safe havens
just now? ‘They’re good for at least part of your portfolio. After ten years of QE and low interest rates we have asset bubbles just about everywhere, housing , stocks, bonds – these things unwind, and you don’t need a recession for them to unwind.
‘Prices may just meander lower for the next decade, and that may be the scenario we’re looking at after these enormous asset price inflation – times of stagnation or decline.’
Wolf recalls when bonds would go up and stocks would go down, enabling a balanced portfolio. ‘That’s not happening now,’ he says. ‘Over the last few years most asset prices went up together. I considered
gold
as some sort of hedge at the start of last year because it hadn’t gone up, but this year it went up along with everything else, so that kind of destroyed my theory.
‘After ten years of asset price inflation, it’s tough to find
diversification
, it’s a bigger challenge than we’ve ever had. This is one of the consequences of the central bank policies we’ve had, they signed for inflated asset prices and now where do you go?
‘There comes a time when, globally, investors have to pay the price for the last ten years. It may be gradual but we’re looking at that scenario.’
